In this episode of The Future Is Bright podcast, Howard Rosenberg, head of Talent Intelligence + Acquisitions at Baretz+Brunelle, and his co-host Chris Batz welcome Reena SenGupta, executive director of RSGI, a research and advisory firm that studies innovation and change across the legal industry. Reena built the ranking methodology used by Chambers and Partners in the 1990s, then set out on her own in 2001. She has spent the two decades since running the Financial Times’ Innovative Lawyers program, which rates innovation across law firms and in-house legal teams.
The conversation centers on new research Reena’s firm conducted, which found that legal headcount has stayed flat even as output climbs. She explains the difference between how law firms describe their pricing conversations with clients and how those same clients describe them, and introduces what she calls the frozen middle: lawyers who use AI daily without ever building real competence in it. She also makes the case that empathy is a hard skill firms should train rather than assume people have. Toward the end of the conversation, she offers a fungal network metaphor for how AI and human lawyers work together, and shares her predictions for where the legal profession is headed over the next decade.
Episode Highlights
Building the Rankings System Law Firms Live By
Before running research on legal innovation, Reena created the submissions process and methodology behind the Chambers and Partners rankings that firms still use decades later.
The Pricing Conversation Firms Think They’re Having
Research found that 58% of law firms believe they’re having open conversations with clients about pricing and efficiency. Only 4% of clients agreed.
Fluent in AI, But Not Yet Competent in It
A phrase from Reena’s research describing lawyers who use AI every day without ever learning to supervise or build with it. She explains why that distinction is starting to matter.
Treating Empathy Like a Skill, Not a Trait
Reena agrees with the idea that empathy is a hard skill rather than an innate trait, and explains why the partners who can build genuine client rapport are becoming the new rainmakers.
A Legal Profession Where Not Every Partner Is a Lawyer
Ten years from now, Reena predicts that firms will be built around people who aren’t legally qualified working alongside licensed partners, plus pricing models that exist next to the billable hour rather than replacing it.
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